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[CE认证] 怎样说服要求CB证书的客户接受CE证书?

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发表于 2009-3-19 21:03 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
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客户是一家外资灯具厂商,在这边有中国的制造基地,产品全球销售,他们的整机产品是经过CB认证的,可能考虑到全球销售必须使用CB报告在各国转换吧以节省成本;我们公司提供灯具上的连接器,客户看了样品后明确说可以用但要我们连接器的CB证书,但目前调查下来很有压力,因为这种连接器的标准IEC61984被授权的NCB和CBTL都在国外,代价很高啊,报价在50000PMB左右,而做公告机构的CE证书成本只要10000RMB左右;因为关于这个连接器产品CB和CE的测试标准是完全的,从产品安全要求声明的角度来说,CB和CE证书是等效的,而且我们作为提供零件直接面对客户,不是直接面对全球市场,没有必须取得CB证书然后各国转化的需求,难道CB要求是从整机包含到零件吗?整机达到CB要求是否零件一定要CB要求呢,用其他的安全认证是否可以,我们和如何同客户谈判?
沙发
发表于 2009-3-19 22:07 | 只看该作者
应该是可以接受的,参考以下IEC的决定:

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板凳
发表于 2009-3-20 08:56 | 只看该作者
不接受CB的,因为会增加随机测试费用
地板
 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-20 09:12 | 只看该作者
引用第2楼嘻嘻于2009-03-20 08:56发表的  :
/ y" n' M: u4 @不接受CB的,因为会增加随机测试费用
你是说不接受CE吗?以下是IECEE CB零部件认可原则部分内容,谁能解释说明一下零部件没有CB报告其他证书是否可以呢?5 J0 u! `* d3 Q; ]' {1 y! n* D5 a
5.1.2 Component without a CB Test Certificate
$ }& d" R. |) [% aWhere a component is not provided with its own valid CB Test Certificate for
1 J+ ]  y/ A, ]. G0 A8 mcompliance with a relevant component standard it shall be checked for correct
9 ?& S$ [2 P& d  A+ T- D  ~" aapplication and use in accordance with its specified ratings. It shall be subjected to the
- c, G3 K$ g6 u  P/ O" N' vapplicable tests of the end-product standard, as part of the end product, and to the
9 y6 V$ c1 _- @9 P& \' H' E; Uapplicable tests of the component standard, under the conditions occurring in the end
& k# }' j, k* c! [product. In order to ease the process of acceptance, the applicable tests from. o2 `6 X7 D; Q. Y% e6 |* ^& M
component standard shall be reported in the Test Report for the component and5 p( c0 K5 k- \1 y) O; r5 r
attached to the end -product CB Test Report. The following acceptance situations shall
5 ]! e3 Y' X. t) }be considered:
" w+ L# D$ l3 s# ^) J* _( @6 j: V5.1.2.1. No additional requirements for the component in the end-product standard
# v6 F% q  I7 Q5 G. N5.1.2.1.1. No National Differences declared for component  @9 I9 _4 J  W. m: A) ]7 t& z
- Component shall be accepted by receiving NCB provided that component test
* U3 S! R& p2 p' u# p# qreport to IEC standard is available from the issuing NCB.2 m4 A9 L. N$ K
5.1.2.1.2. National Differences declared for component
: d7 V, b: L" b/ e6 @& R" d- Component shall be accepted by receiving NCB provided that component test" R/ U) j( V- T, p0 D1 [7 {! l4 K
report to IEC standard is available from the issuing NCB and includes National
& V7 U( h! R, h; b3 n2 GDifferences, otherwise
: i, K( ]6 |( f' @& j- Component shall be accepted by receiving NCB when information provided in8 a) t8 l# s1 V, i
the Report fulfills acceptance criteria declared by the receiving NCB in the CAM3 t8 ]( `# t' D2 c% C
database, otherwise' n5 o) r5 I& @/ i6 C/ e8 q1 Z
- Component accepted by receiving NCB after additional evaluation addressing0 K6 G5 g0 f* m) T9 Y- J3 k
National Differences.
  j, o) E0 l6 l8 c' I) }: S; d0 T4 e5.1.2.2. Additional requirements for component in the end-product standard7 B, B0 M' s4 \7 j" o  H$ L, ]' P
5.1.2.2.1. No National Differences declared, n8 ^# s0 U' e7 N! f
- Component shall be accepted by receiving NCB provided that component test
8 ^- ~' v" Q8 ]9 ^( mreport to IEC standard is available from the issuing NCB.
* V1 [' ~; j9 ?: D8 p2 e5.1.2.2.2. National Differences declared for component
# B0 H( A3 n; S/ W4 b& ZSame as 5.1.2.1.2." Z: j1 ^, x' @! W& j+ D5 k
5.1.2.3. Component provided with a national certificate, which indicates that, the
; \  `- Y9 k) h  g, ~component was tested to a harmonized standard and it shows limitations and/or
* {$ x2 P- V- @+ _8 P3 ]conditions of use.0 @$ g3 K6 V' _6 I8 a! s: Y% @( Y
- Component shall be accepted by receiving NCB provided that any additional4 U; S+ @5 [1 Y# M
requirements (i.e., National Differences, end-product requirements, applicable tests9 \8 }; b4 v$ a$ h- @* Q  i4 M& I( T
of the component standard, under the conditions occurring in the end product) have5 Q% \* [4 ?& d3 j$ g1 U# e  N1 ]2 `
been addressed in the end-product report.3 k7 c6 Q( R* @  v3 ]+ Y; `
5.1.2.4. Component tested to the requirement of a non-harmonized standard9 A# d" O5 u) U2 g
- Component accepted according to the procedure of OD 2036, when used, or# Y% g. }/ j; ^2 ~/ X
- Component may be accepted at the discretion of the receiving NCB.9 k3 C) ]9 n  x" A" t
5.1.2.5. Component tested to the component requirements in the end product only
8 Z. i6 y, ~8 N(not tested to the applicable component standard)
7 H& Z4 z! t8 M  T3 F* p- Component accepted after additional evaluation to the applicable component
& W1 A8 j/ A% v. l8 ?3 Q$ nrequirements, where necessary.1 M, a8 j" n+ o3 g
5.1.2.6. The receiving NCB does not adhere to IEC component standard.
( \+ a) F3 p  Y; l1 L- See 5.1.1.4.
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发表于 2009-3-20 09:36 | 只看该作者
5.1.2 Component without a CB Test Certificate
3 ^' C+ J6 G, K+ rWhere a component is not provided with its own valid CB Test Certificate for* d4 `7 p* @# N/ {/ X! K# D
compliance with a relevant component standard it shall be checked for correct
1 ?7 N1 ~( h$ |" X& f  H9 S' e$ Uapplication and use in accordance with its specified ratings.
It shall be subjected to the
3 Q, X8 q9 J3 r5 v) \applicable tests of the end-product standard, as part of the end product, and to the. g  G4 D$ G+ o1 c5 Z
applicable tests of the component standard, under the conditions occurring in the end1 p( t# R4 x4 Q1 }* g" B1 @
product. In order to ease the process of acceptance, the applicable tests from; |3 k: w6 y0 \  D: o' |6 k  n
component standard shall be reported in the Test Report for the component and
8 J) X1 l2 S( Gattached to the end -product CB Test Report. The following acceptance situations shall
0 w3 y0 J" m, V# g+ Z  F8 ube considered:
------颜色部分的意思是,如果没有相应的CB 测试报告的话,则必须做为终端产品的一部分做相应的测试。对这个零件的测试报告作为终端产品的CB测试报告的附录。! v. O& M' X/ G) O9 p
欢迎大家讨论
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-20 09:59 | 只看该作者
引用第4楼嘻嘻于2009-03-20 09:36发表的  :
8 d+ P: j: v* T, E) M5.1.2 Component without a CB Test Certificate6 i3 z* _0 T& s3 a( f! z1 [
Where a component is not provided with its own valid CB Test Certificate for
# S5 a2 S3 M& `7 r1 @% Y5 scompliance with a relevant component standard it shall be checked for correct5 g5 x- M: s$ i9 q
application and use in accordance with its specified ratings.
It shall be subjected to the% D) F' d7 I( `$ P
applicable tests of the end-product standard, as part of the end product, and to the# ~! t3 q2 M/ S$ F% z% B; c
.......
是啊,作为整机的一部分,测试是一定要做的,CE测试和CB测试标准及项目相同,所以我想提供CE证书是应该可以认可的吧?
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发表于 2009-3-20 10:02 | 只看该作者
引用第5楼xiaojie786于2009-03-20 09:59发表的  :2 C4 ~/ ~" l& S4 `3 Q
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是啊,作为整机的一部分,测试是一定要做的,CE测试和CB测试标准及项目相同,所以我想提供CE证书是应该可以认可的吧?
CE的测试标准是EN标准,CB测试标准是IEC,两者一般来说是没什么大的区别。
" r1 u% n) H5 m/ k9 c! A但是有时会有国家偏差。
3 r, s$ R3 d8 f2 v1 O这在你引用的资料里面也有体现
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发表于 2009-3-20 10:08 | 只看该作者
你要用GB测试项目CE测试项目进行标准同的分析来说明给客户,再用一些实验检测来证实.......3 Q4 }% C) L5 B0 N& Q
必要时可以用一种协议来规定:CE认证来替代GB认证检测的项目得到的认可.
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-20 10:33 | 只看该作者
引用第6楼嘻嘻于2009-03-20 10:02发表的  :
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CE的测试标准是EN标准,CB测试标准是IEC,两者一般来说是没什么大的区别。- A7 c" G7 ?6 ]' H" A: w3 l" s
但是有时会有国家偏差。
: @6 e( ^: {# T% z# \8 y这在你引用的资料里面也有体现
恩,明白,但我查了一下这个连接器测试标准IEC61984没有地区或国家差异,这样的话就不用做差异测试就可以说明了吧?

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-20 15:05 | 只看该作者
咨询了一些认证机构和工程师,好像也没有明确的结论,有的说不行,CE的效用不如CB,有的说还要看客户要求,客户认可就可以,谁能有个明确结论以解惑呢,谢谢!
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