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作者: hxyfs13 时间: 2011-8-17 10:53
标题: 关于UL档案，求指导
请问一下UL档案的作用和意义是什么啊？是不是第一次UL认证才需要建立UL档案，之后就不需要了？多谢。。。 (以解决感谢 ye_lin86；cwlee)

问题补充：我刚才看到2，3楼的回答，是不是意思是每做一次UL认证就建立一个UL档案？我刚刚问到建立UL档案的时候需要提供公司营业执照，那么也就是说每次做UL，都得提供营业执照么？（以解决感谢 xujianyou；特别感谢Andy.Yang，我学到很多）

问题补充2：安规档案建立是只需要营业执照跟申请表么？还有建立档案的费用是多少啊？额。。关于建立档案有什么需要注意的地方么？？

作者: ye_lin86 时间: 2011-8-17 10:58
UL档案就是UL的证书及报告，每个工厂每类产品都有一个档案号的，就相当于证书号，这个档案每年要进行4次工厂检查以及维护费就能持续有效的

作者: cwlee 时间: 2011-8-17 11:05
UL档案简单说就是UL方便管理，给每家公司所编的一个编号而已，档案号同样与产品类别息息相关的，不存在一次认证以后就不需要的情况，不同产品类别必须启用不同的档案号.

作者: keven2012 时间: 2011-8-17 11:58
是不是意思是每做一次UL认证就建立一个UL档案？
----同类产品只需一个UL File No,建立以后你所申请的产品的报告，图片，测试报告都可以查得到，这是由UL操作的。

我刚刚问到建立UL档案的时候需要提供公司营业执照，那么也就是说每次做UL，都得提供营业执照么？
----只是第一次申请时需要提供这些资料，其它时候不必的。

UL服务是很完善的，不像其它认证，总以纸板文件寄来寄很麻烦的。

作者: Andy.Yang 时间: 2011-8-17 12:47

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问题补充2：安规档案建立是只需要营业执照跟申请表么？还有建立档案的费用是多少啊？额。。关于建立档案有什么需要注意的地方么？？

Hi, answer your question as below:
1. UL file, its official name is UL follow up service procedure, of course, the UL FUS procedure must be created at the first time, then your products can be covered and described in that FUS procedure, as well, that file will be used to keep the conformance, and it's also will be used by UL factory auditor during the factory audit;
As to the future, if your new products can be covered by the existing UL FUS procedure, then a new UL file does not need to be created, you only need to update your current UL FUS procedure, and let the new products covered by that one; and if your new products can not be covered by your existing UL file, then in this case, a new file is necessary to be created, normally, it depends on the CCN of your products( for this question, I can not explain more to you, you can get it step by step and day by day when you deal with UL approval in the future).
As to the Biz license, it's only needed during the first time, and after that, it won't be necessary, cause UL has already kept it in file.

2. Normally, UL file creating needs below documents, besides the Biz license at the first time:
A: product technical documents: which can let UL engineer to evaluate your products thoroughly;
B: Critical components information of your products;
C: Some information related with your company due to creating your UL file;
D: Required samples: used for testing and verification by UL engineer.
......
As to the cost, it depends on the specified products, different products have different charging, as well, it also depends on how many models/families you want to apply for, so I can not provide accurate information here, so I strongly suggest you to get those information directly from UL, normally in China, UL suzhou office can be reached, if your products are not so special.

Hopefully, it can help you something...

作者: Andy.Yang 时间: 2011-8-17 12:51
Here, in order to let you know more, I will show some information related with UL factory audit as below:

1. Before the introduction: I wanna show some vocabularies about the factory inspection:
UL:Underwriters Laboratories
FUS: Follow Up service
FUS procedure: Follow-up service procedure, which we normally call it the UL certificate, but actually, the first page of this procedure is the real UL certificate.
Field representative: UL factory auditor
Manufacturer representative: the factory representative who's the interface with the UL factory auditor
Type L: one type of the UL products, normally needs to buy labels directly from the UL , but not all
Type R:another type of the UL products

2. UL inspection frequency:
For type L: basically, it depends on the output of the factory, that means it depends on the quantity of the UL label which the manufacturer used.
For Type R: normally, four times a year, but for some special products, not four times, but at least one time per year is needed

3. Construction of the FUS procedure:
Most of the Fus procedures are composed as below:
1)Authorization page: that's the first page of the Fus procedure, which generally shows your factory has the right to use the UL mark on your products.
2)index page: which show the general information of the products which are authorized by UL that the UL mark can be applied.
2)Sec.Gen.: general description of your products, cause normally, there are many specified sections in your FUS procedure, so the Sec.Gen show some common information of those different sections.
3)Sec.X: X represents the detailed section of your FUS procedure, which show the detailed descrition of the products covered by this section, most of the critical components are described in this section
4)Fig. and Ill: figures and illustrations which can show some visual information of your products
5)Test reports: which can show the test items and test methods when your factory applies for the UL approval.

4. Audit areas:
Normally, UL field representive will check five areas:
1)production line: to see the specified products and whether there are products with the UL mark on the production line.At this time, the auditor will check the comformance of the components and the online tests, even including the calibration information of the equipments on the production line.
2)warehouse for the components: when some components can not be verified on the production line, the auditor will check the warehouse to reconfirm the comformance of the components, as well the auditor will check some wire&cable's label which also a very important check item.
3)warehouse for the final products: to check whether there are some products with the UL mark which are not authorized by UL
4)testing area: to verify some test items which required by UL, including the equipments' calibration information
5) shipping area: to check if your factory are shipping non-authorized products.

5. Documents for UL auditor use:
For type L products, the UL auditor will use the related product standards and your FUS procedure, for example, AWM wire, the UL auditor will use below documents:
1)UL758, UL1581 standards
2)FUS procedure: including the FUII, style page, facing page
For type R products, normally, the auditor only use the FUS procedure, cause they don't have enough time to know each product standards.

6. Why VN was issued:
Most of those cases are as follows:
1) nonconformance of critical components, including the raw material, model No. dimensions and etc
2) noncomformance of the test : including the wrong methods and unqualified calibration
3) noncomformance of the test results:
4) non-authorization use of the UL mark: apply the UL mark on the products which are not authorized by UL
5) nonconformance of the COC documents: can not provide the right traceability documents during the inspection
6) other special cases: such as the refuse of the inspection and etc...

7. How to resolve the VN:
Normally, there are three ways to solve the VN, see below:
1) Rework under the witness: if VN found, and the VN can be solved in the field, then rework these VN items under the auditor's witness, then ok
2) Marking remove: if VN found, and these VN items are not so easy to be resloved in a short time, and you still want to ship these products, then select to remove the UL marking , then ok
3) Hold shipment: similar with the item 2), and you are not so urgent to ship out the products, or these VN items needs to be evaluated by the UL CAS department, then select to hold shipment until further confirmation was finished. but remember, don't ship out these products without the UL's approval.

8. Other recommendation:
1) Don't ship out the products with the UL mark before the IPI(first inspection) was finished
2) Don't show you are so experienced before the UL auditor, even you are a real experienced guy
3) If possible, prepare some gifts, or cash for urgent cases
4) Show respects to the UL auditor, even they are rude but not break your bottom line...

Hopefully, you can learn more from above...

作者: hdf590 时间: 2011-8-17 13:04
;), agree, if you will no follow this, you will learn more for the process.
8. Other recommendation:
1) Don't ship out the products with the UL mark before the IPI(first inspection) was finished
2) Don't show you are so experienced before the UL auditor, even you are a real experienced guy
3) If possible, prepare some gifts, or cash for urgent cases
4) Show respects to the UL auditor, even they are rude but not break your bottom line...

作者: 547109 时间: 2011-8-17 13:39
比如你申请了UL758一个档案号，当你申请UL 62或UL83……之类时就要重新建立档案号，如果在UL 758里新增STYLE 型号就不用再建立新档案号

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